[Rear-users] ReaR 1.5pre1

Christian Neuhold cuniculus at inode.at
Fri Mar 16 12:17:07 CET 2007


Hello,

I tried out your new version. Backup and restore is working great on CentOS 
4.4. I tested it
- with software raid 
- without software raid
- with vg and filesystem exclude
- without vg and filesystem exclude

I used for restore TSM. PXE and ISO is also working.

But I have to bind ip address manually. Bonding is not working. I have to 
check it why. Because device and IP adress exists, but I can't ping any other 
linux machines.

Best Regards
	Cuni


Am Montag, 12. März 2007 00:08:01 schrieb Schlomo Schapiro:
> Hi,
>
> attached please find rear 1.5pre1 which should solve the following issues:
> - bonding
> - md devices on non-SUSE
> - cciss
> - TSM should also backup the resulting files
>
> Please give it a try and send me the feedback (positive & negative).
>
> Regards,
> Schlomo
>
> PS: Christian, I couldn't run a full test on your VM sine it lacks some
> crucial software (mount.cifs, mkisofs usw.). But the rear mkrescue ran
> through cleanly now and the data files in /etcc/rear/recovery look good
> to me. So please kindly check this RPM on the CentOS VM you have and
> also do a real backup/recovery.
>
> Christian Neuhold wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > i only make a minimal rear configuration, I hope this is ok.
> > My root filesystem is on a logical volume.
> > rear backup command I use: rear -d -D mkbackup
> >
> > vol_id does not exist in Centos 4.4, instead I use udev_volume_id, but I
> > get "error DEVPATH empty" always.
> >
> > udev_volume_id  /dev/mapper/rootvg-root_lv
> > error DEVPATH empty
> >
> > udev_volume_id /dev/rootvg/rootlv
> > error DEVPATH empty
> >
> > udev_volume_id  /dev/sdc
> > error DEVPATH empty
> >
> >
> >
> > local.conf
> > OUTPUT=TSM
> > MODULES_LOAD=( vmxnet )
> >
> > /proc/partitions
> > major minor  #blocks  name
> >
> >    8     0    2097152 sda
> >    8     1     152586 sda1
> >    8     2    1943865 sda2
> >    8    16    2097152 sdb
> >    8    17     152586 sdb1
> >    8    18    1943865 sdb2
> >    9     0     152512 md0
> >    9     1    1943744 md1
> >  253     0     262144 dm-0
> >  253     1     131072 dm-1
> >  253     2     950272 dm-2
> >  253     3     425984 dm-3
> >  253     4     131072 dm-4
> >    8    32     229376 sdc
> >  253     5      53248 dm-5
> >
> > fstab:
> > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details
> > /dev/rootvg/rootlv      /                       ext3    defaults        1
> > 1 /dev/md0                /boot                   ext3    defaults       
> > 1 2 none                    /dev/pts                devpts 
> > gid=5,mode=620  0 0 none                    /dev/shm                tmpfs
> >   defaults        0 0 none                    /proc                  
> > proc    defaults        0 0 none                    /sys                 
> >   sysfs   defaults        0 0 /dev/rootvg/tmp_lv      /tmp               
> >     ext3    defaults        1 2 /dev/rootvg/usr_lv      /usr             
> >       ext3    defaults        1 2 /dev/rootvg/var_lv      /var           
> >         ext3    defaults        1 2 /dev/rootvg/swap_lv     swap         
> >           swap    defaults        0 0 /dev/datavg/prod_lv     /srv/prod  
> >             ext3    defaults,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdc               
> > /media/cdrom            auto
> > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
> > /dev/fd0                /media/floppy           auto
> > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
> >
> >
> > /tmp/rear.log
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Relax & Recover Version 1.4 / 2007-02-06
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Combining configuration files
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Skipping /etc/rear/mkbackup.conf (file not found or
> > empty) 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Including /etc/rear/Linux-i386.conf
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Including /etc/rear/GNU/Linux.conf
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Skipping /etc/rear/CentOS.conf (file not found or
> > empty) 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Skipping /etc/rear/CentOS/i386.conf (file not
> > found or empty)
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Skipping /etc/rear/CentOS/4.4.conf (file not found or
> > empty)
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Including /etc/rear/site.conf
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:35 Including /etc/rear/local.conf
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Creating build area '/tmp/rear.4065'
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Running mkbackup workflow
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Running 'prep' stage
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Including prep/default/01_progress_start.sh
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Including prep/TSM/default/40_prep_tsm.sh
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Including prep/default/99_progress_stop.sh
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Finished running 'prep' stage in 0 seconds
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Running 'dr' stage
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Including dr/default/01_mk_config_dir_recovery.sh
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Including
> > dr/GNU/Linux/10_describe_physical_devices.sh 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Skipping
> > small removable device 'hdc' [Size: 3GB]. Adjust
> > SYSFS_REMOVABLE_DEVICE_SIZE [15] to prevent
> > this.
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:36 Including
> > dr/GNU/Linux/11_describe_mountpoint_device.sh 2007-02-13 20:31:36
> > Including dr/GNU/Linux/12_describe_filesystems.sh 2007-02-13 20:31:36
> > ERROR Cannot determine filesystem info
> > on '/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it. [root at CNCCENTOS01 /]# rm -rf /tmp/rear.*
> > rear mkbackup -d
> > [root at CNCCENTOS01 /]# rear -d -D mkbackup
> > Relax & Recover Version 1.4 / 2007-02-06
> > The preparation phase OK
> > ERROR: Cannot determine filesystem info on '/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it. [root at CNCCENTOS01 /]# cat /tmp/rear.
> > cat: /tmp/rear.: No such file or directory
> > [root at CNCCENTOS01 /]# cat /tmp/rear.log
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Relax & Recover Version 1.4 / 2007-02-06
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Combining configuration files
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Skipping /etc/rear/mkbackup.conf (file not found or
> > empty) 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including /etc/rear/Linux-i386.conf
> > + . /etc/rear/Linux-i386.conf
> > ++ REQUIRED_PROGS=("${REQUIRED_PROGS[@]}" sfdisk)
> > ++ PROGS=("${PROGS[@]}" grub partprobe parted lilo fdisk cfdisk)
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including /etc/rear/GNU/Linux.conf
> > + . /etc/rear/GNU/Linux.conf
> > ++ PROGS=(${PROGS[@]} bash mknod vol_id udev_volume_id portmap readlink
> > rpcinfo grep cat tr reboot halt shutdown killall5
> > killall chroot tee awk ip ifenslave klogd syslog-ng syslogd echo cp date
> > wc cut rm test init ethtool expand sed mount umou
> > nt insmod modprobe lsmod true false mingetty rmmod hostname uname sleep
> > logger ps ln dirname basename mkdir cpio tty ping
> > netstat free traceroute less vi rmmod df ls dmesg du tar gzip netcat top
> > iptraf joe pico getent id nslookup ldd strace rsy
> > nc tail head find md5sum mkfs mkfs.ext2 mkfs.ext3 mkfs.jfs mkfs.xfs
> > mkfs.reiserfs mkreiserfs fsck.ext2 fsck.ext3 fsck.xfs
> > fsck.reiserfs reiserfsck tune2fs xfs_admin xfs_db jfs_tune reiserfstune
> > fsck expr egrep grep fgrep df chmod chown stat mks
> > wap swapon swapoff mknod)
> > ++ LIBS=(${LIBS[@]} /lib/libnss_dns* /lib/libnss_files* /lib/libgcc_s*)
> > ++ MODULES=(${MODULES[@]} af_packet unix nfs lockd sunrpc cifs)
> > ++
> > COPY_AS_IS=(${COPY_AS_IS[@]} /dev /etc/protocols /etc/services /etc/rpc
> > /etc/termcap /usr/share/terminfo) + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Skipping /etc/rear/CentOS.conf (file not found or
> > empty) 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Skipping /etc/rear/CentOS/i386.conf (file not
> > found or empty)
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Skipping /etc/rear/CentOS/4.4.conf (file not found or
> > empty)
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including /etc/rear/site.conf
> > + . /etc/rear/site.conf
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including /etc/rear/local.conf
> > + . /etc/rear/local.conf
> > ++ OUTPUT=TSM
> > ++ MODULES_LOAD=(vmxnet)
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Creating build area '/tmp/rear.4263'
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Running mkbackup workflow
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Running 'prep' stage
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including prep/default/01_progress_start.sh
> > + . /usr/share/rear/prep/default/01_progress_start.sh
> > ++ ProgressStart 'The preparation phase'
> > ++ echo -n 'The preparation phase  '
> > ++ kill -USR2 4296
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including prep/TSM/default/40_prep_tsm.sh
> > + . /usr/share/rear/prep/TSM/default/40_prep_tsm.sh
> > ++ COPY_AS_IS=("${COPY_AS_IS[@]}" "${COPY_AS_IS_TSM[@]}")
> > ++
> > COPY_AS_IS_EXCLUDE=("${COPY_AS_IS_EXCLUDE[@]}"
> > "${COPY_AS_IS_EXCLUDE_TSM[@]}") ++ PROGS=("${PROGS[*]}"
> > "${PROGS_TSM[*]}")
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including prep/default/99_progress_stop.sh
> > + . /usr/share/rear/prep/default/99_progress_stop.sh
> > ++ ProgressStop
> > ++ kill -USR1 4296
> > ++ echo -e '\bOK'
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Finished running 'prep' stage in 0 seconds
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Running 'dr' stage
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including dr/default/01_mk_config_dir_recovery.sh
> > + . /usr/share/rear/dr/default/01_mk_config_dir_recovery.sh
> > ++ rm -Rf /etc/rear/recovery
> > ++ mkdir -m 755 /etc/rear/recovery
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including
> > dr/GNU/Linux/10_describe_physical_devices.sh + .
> > /usr/share/rear/dr/GNU/Linux/10_describe_physical_devices.sh ++
> > FindPhysicalDevices
> > +++
> > ls -d /sys/block/hdc/device /sys/block/sda/device /sys/block/sdb/device
> > /sys/block/sdc/device ++ for d in '$(ls -d /sys/block/*/device)'
> > ++ test -L /sys/block/hdc/device
> > +++ dirname /sys/block/hdc/device
> > ++ sysfspath=/sys/block/hdc
> > +++ basename /sys/block/hdc
> > ++ device=hdc
> > ++ test -s /sys/block/hdc/size
> > +++ cat /sys/block/hdc/size
> > ++ sysfssize=8388604
> > +++ cat /sys/block/hdc/removable
> > ++ test 1 -eq 1 -a 3 -le 15
> > ++ Log 'Skipping small removable device '\''hdc'\'' [Size: 3GB]. Adjust
> > SYSFS_REMOVABLE_DEVICE_SIZE [15] to prevent this.'
> > ++ test 1 -gt 0
> > +++ Stamp
> > +++ date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S '
> > ++ echo '2007-02-13 20:31:51 Skipping small removable device '\''hdc'\''
> > [Size: 3GB]. Adjust SYSFS_REMOVABLE_DEVICE_SIZE [
> > 15] to prevent this.'
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Skipping small removable device 'hdc' [Size: 3GB].
> > Adjust SYSFS_REMOVABLE_DEVICE_SIZE [15] to prevent
> > this.
> > ++ continue
> > ++ for d in '$(ls -d /sys/block/*/device)'
> > ++ test -L /sys/block/sda/device
> > +++ dirname /sys/block/sda/device
> > ++ sysfspath=/sys/block/sda
> > +++ basename /sys/block/sda
> > ++ device=sda
> > ++ test -s /sys/block/sda/size
> > +++ cat /sys/block/sda/size
> > ++ sysfssize=4194304
> > +++ cat /sys/block/sda/removable
> > ++ test 0 -eq 1 -a 2 -le 15
> > ++ DeviceNameToNode sda
> > ++ device=/dev/sda
> > ++ device2=/dev/sda
> > ++ test -b /dev/sda
> > ++ echo /dev/sda
> > ++ for d in '$(ls -d /sys/block/*/device)'
> > ++ test -L /sys/block/sdb/device
> > +++ dirname /sys/block/sdb/device
> > ++ sysfspath=/sys/block/sdb
> > +++ basename /sys/block/sdb
> > ++ device=sdb
> > ++ test -s /sys/block/sdb/size
> > +++ cat /sys/block/sdb/size
> > ++ sysfssize=4194304
> > +++ cat /sys/block/sdb/removable
> > ++ test 0 -eq 1 -a 2 -le 15
> > ++ DeviceNameToNode sdb
> > ++ device=/dev/sdb
> > ++ device2=/dev/sdb
> > ++ test -b /dev/sdb
> > ++ echo /dev/sdb
> > ++ for d in '$(ls -d /sys/block/*/device)'
> > ++ test -L /sys/block/sdc/device
> > +++ dirname /sys/block/sdc/device
> > ++ sysfspath=/sys/block/sdc
> > +++ basename /sys/block/sdc
> > ++ device=sdc
> > ++ test -s /sys/block/sdc/size
> > +++ cat /sys/block/sdc/size
> > ++ sysfssize=458752
> > +++ cat /sys/block/sdc/removable
> > ++ test 0 -eq 1 -a 0 -le 15
> > ++ DeviceNameToNode sdc
> > ++ device=/dev/sdc
> > ++ device2=/dev/sdc
> > ++ test -b /dev/sdc
> > ++ echo /dev/sdc
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including
> > dr/GNU/Linux/11_describe_mountpoint_device.sh + .
> > /usr/share/rear/dr/GNU/Linux/11_describe_mountpoint_device.sh ++ echo -n
> > ''
> > ++++ mount
> > ++++ cut -d ' ' -f 1,3
> > ++++ grep -v noauto /etc/fstab
> > +++ join -a 2 -j 2 /dev/fd/63 /dev/fd/62
> > ++ read -a entry
> > ++++ grep -v '^#'
> > ++++ tr -s ' \t' ' '
> > ++++ cut -s -d ' ' -f 1,2,3
> > ++++ sort -k 2
> > ++++ sort -k 2 -t ' '
> > ++++ grep -E '(reiserfs|xfs|ext|jfs)'
> > ++ IsInArray / /srv/prod
> > ++ search=/
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 1 -gt 0
> > ++ test / = /srv/prod
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ IsInArray /dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv
> > ++ search=/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ test 4 -ne 4
> > ++ echo / /dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv /dev/rootvg/rootlv ext3
> > ++ read -a entry
> > ++ IsInArray /boot /srv/prod
> > ++ search=/boot
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 1 -gt 0
> > ++ test /boot = /srv/prod
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ IsInArray /dev/md0
> > ++ search=/dev/md0
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ test 4 -ne 4
> > ++ echo /boot /dev/md0 /dev/md0 ext3
> > ++ read -a entry
> > ++ IsInArray /tmp /srv/prod
> > ++ search=/tmp
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 1 -gt 0
> > ++ test /tmp = /srv/prod
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ IsInArray /dev/mapper/rootvg-tmp_lv
> > ++ search=/dev/mapper/rootvg-tmp_lv
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ test 4 -ne 4
> > ++ echo /tmp /dev/mapper/rootvg-tmp_lv /dev/rootvg/tmp_lv ext3
> > ++ read -a entry
> > ++ IsInArray /usr /srv/prod
> > ++ search=/usr
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 1 -gt 0
> > ++ test /usr = /srv/prod
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ IsInArray /dev/mapper/rootvg-usr_lv
> > ++ search=/dev/mapper/rootvg-usr_lv
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ test 4 -ne 4
> > ++ echo /usr /dev/mapper/rootvg-usr_lv /dev/rootvg/usr_lv ext3
> > ++ read -a entry
> > ++ IsInArray /var /srv/prod
> > ++ search=/var
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 1 -gt 0
> > ++ test /var = /srv/prod
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ IsInArray /dev/mapper/rootvg-var_lv
> > ++ search=/dev/mapper/rootvg-var_lv
> > ++ shift
> > ++ test 0 -gt 0
> > ++ return 1
> > ++ test 4 -ne 4
> > ++ echo /var /dev/mapper/rootvg-var_lv /dev/rootvg/var_lv ext3
> > ++ read -a entry
> > ++ test -s /etc/rear/recovery/mountpoint_device
> > + test 1
> > + set +x
> > 2007-02-13 20:31:51 Including dr/GNU/Linux/12_describe_filesystems.sh
> > + . /usr/share/rear/dr/GNU/Linux/12_describe_filesystems.sh
> > ++ read mountpoint device mountby filesystem junk
> > ++ mkdir -p /etc/rear/recovery/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv
> > ++ vol_id /dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv
> > ++ udev_volume_id /dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv
> > ++ sed -e 's/^F:\(.*\)$/ID_FS_USAGE='\''\1'\''/' -e 's/^T:
> > \(.*\)$/ID_FS_TYPE='\''\1'\''/' -e 's/^V:\(.*\)$/ID_FS_VERSION='
> > \''\1'\''/' -e 's/^L:\(.*\)$/ID_FS_LABEL='\''\1'\''/' -e 's/^N:
> > \(.*\)/ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE='\''\1'\''/' -e 's/^U:\(.*\)/ID_FS_
> > UUID='\''\1'\''/'
> > ++ grep =
> > ++ Error 'Cannot determine filesystem info
> > on '\''/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'\''
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it.' ++ Log ERROR 'Cannot determine filesystem info
> > on '\''/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'\''
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it.' ++ test 2 -gt 0
> > +++ Stamp
> > +++ date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S '
> > ++ echo '2007-02-13 20:31:51 ERROR Cannot determine filesystem info
> > on '\''/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'\''
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it.' 2007-02-13 20:31:51 ERROR Cannot determine filesystem info
> > on '/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it. ++ echo 'ERROR: Cannot determine filesystem info
> > on '\''/dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv'\''
> > Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> > it.' ++ exit 1
> > + exec
> >
> >
> > Ciao
> > 	cuni
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 13. Februar 2007 10:16:07 schrieb Christian Neuhold:
> >> Hi,
> >> I tried your new version (rear 1.4) , but no success.
> >>
> >> When I start rear mkbackup on CentOS release 4.4 (Final) I get following
> >> error:
> >>
> >> Relax & Recover Version 1.4 / 2007-02-06
> >> Press ENTER to include '/etc/rear/Linux-i386.conf' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include '/etc/rear/GNU/Linux.conf' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include '/etc/rear/site.conf' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include '/etc/rear/local.conf' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/prep/default/01_progress_start.sh' ...
> >> The preparation phase  Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/prep/ISO/default/30_check_iso_dir.sh' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/prep/ISO/default/32_check_cdrom_size.sh' ..|
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/prep/ISO/default/33_find_isolinux.sh' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include '/usr/share/rear/prep/TSM/default/40_prep_tsm.sh'
> >> ...
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/prep/default/99_progress_stop.sh' ...
> >> OK
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/dr/default/01_mk_config_dir_recovery.sh' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/dr/GNU/Linux/10_describe_physical_devices.sh' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/dr/GNU/Linux/11_describe_mountpoint_device.sh' ...
> >> Press ENTER to include
> >> '/usr/share/rear/dr/GNU/Linux/12_describe_filesystems.sh' ...
> >> ERROR: Cannot determine filesystem info on '/dev/mapper/rootvg-root_lv'
> >> Your udev implementation (vol_id or udev_volume_id) does not recognize
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Ciao
> >>          cuni
> >>
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